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Post by ksen on Dec 1, 2011 4:26:13 GMT
I don't see why Hartman was suspended. Demod him, sure, but I don't think he deserved to be suspended. In my experience it's better to let people air their differences instead of wielding the banhammer so quickly.
You'd be surprised how fast differences can be reconciled if you just let people talk it out. Sometimes it'll get heated but unless personal info starts getting slung around it's ok. These things need to happen at times.
So I am requesting that Sergeant Hartman's posting privileges be restored.
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Post by B on Dec 1, 2011 8:14:39 GMT
Agreed.
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Post by Ambrose Yarwood on Dec 1, 2011 13:05:28 GMT
I don't see why Hartman was suspended. Demod him, sure, but I don't think he deserved to be suspended. In my experience it's better to let people air their differences instead of wielding the banhammer so quickly. You'd be surprised how fast differences can be reconciled if you just let people talk it out. Sometimes it'll get heated but unless personal info starts getting slung around it's ok. These things need to happen at times. So I am requesting that Sergeant Hartman's posting privileges be restored. This is starting to get really confusing. You don't like him, and you don't like his moderating manner, so I suspend him, and I remove his moderating privileges. If you're not keen on him why do you want him back before his 2 week suspension is up? Wouldn't it be better for him and everyone else to cool off for a bit? I'm trying to be diplomatic here. Let's just wait it out and forget about it. If you have something to say to him I'm sure it can wait.
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Post by ksen on Dec 1, 2011 13:21:11 GMT
Ambrose, it's not about whether I like him or not. Right now I don't that much. But that doesn't mean I'm happy his posting privileges were suspended. All I wanted to get across was that he was probably a bit too hot-tempered to be a good mod. As far as I know we'd agree on most other subjects. But again, thinking that we might be on the same side of a bunch of issues isn't the reason I think he should be allowed to post here as a regular member.
I have many people I count as forum friends that I had many run ins with. But through those run ins we came to understandings. I've been at quite a few boards where "rowdy" members would get suspended. There was never a good atmosphere at those boards. For all of TR's faults the fact that people are allowed to express themselves however they want, barring posting porn or other people's private information, really does work the best. You'd be amazed at how effectively people police themselves when they are mostly left alone to work things out.
You know I'm a mod at TR. The main thing we do is move thread derails. That's it. Mods don't ban people. Admins very seldomly ban people and are often quickly overridden by the membership. I'm sure their hearts were in the right place when they did it but their net-nanny instinct, if left unchecked, would ruin the board. That's our job as members . . . remind staff that they are sometimes idiots.
I respect Hartman's right to his opinion. I did not respect the zeal he showed in trying to cow other members.
I'm asking you to give this method of forum moderation a try for a month. The board is young enough to survive it. If you don't like it then change it after at least giving the TR governance method a fair shake.
Will it get loud at times? Yep.
Will people get mad and upset at times. Yep.
But we're adults. Freedom of speech should be what's valued highest. The board will eventually develop its own personality if you let it. I think you'll like the results.
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Post by Ambrose Yarwood on Dec 1, 2011 13:31:05 GMT
Right, first let me get this out of my system. Give me a moment.
AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!
Ok. So you want me to unsuspend him, and allow him to carry on as before, but without the trigger happy use of suspensions. And if it doesn't result in chaos, continue that way. Ok. I'll do it. But I get the feeling that this is about you wanting to give him a piece of your mind and taunt him about having been allowed back on. All I ask is that this whole thing doesn't take over the forum. I'm going to unsuspend him right now.
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Post by ksen on Dec 1, 2011 13:37:53 GMT
Right, first let me get this out of my system. Give me a moment. AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!! Ok. So you want me to unsuspend him, and allow him to carry on as before, but without the trigger happy use of suspensions. And if it doesn't result in chaos, continue that way. Ok. I'll do it. But I get the feeling that this is about you wanting to give him a piece of your mind and taunt him about having been allowed back on. All I ask is that this whole thing doesn't take over the forum. I'm going to unsuspend him right now. Ambrose, I'm sure Hartman will get some flack or ribbing but I'm not planning on doing it. I'm not one to rub people's faces in stuff . . . most of the time. take a couple of breaths . . . it'll be ok! ;D
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Post by Sergeant Hartman on Dec 1, 2011 14:00:45 GMT
Hartman here. Ok Ksen, let's do this.
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Post by ksen on Dec 1, 2011 14:04:07 GMT
Hartman here. Ok Ksen, let's do this. Do what?
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Post by ksen on Dec 1, 2011 14:04:32 GMT
eta: And were your rubbing your hands together when you posted that?
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Post by Sergeant Hartman on Dec 1, 2011 14:09:45 GMT
eta: And were your rubbing your hands together when you posted that? I mean let's discuss whatever it is you want to discuss.
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Post by ksen on Dec 1, 2011 14:15:08 GMT
eta: And were your rubbing your hands together when you posted that? I mean let's discuss whatever it is you want to discuss. I wasn't look to discussing anything. Did you want me to address anything in your last post to me yesterday?
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Post by Sergeant Hartman on Dec 1, 2011 14:20:04 GMT
I mean let's discuss whatever it is you want to discuss. I wasn't look to discussing anything. Did you want me to address anything in your last post to me yesterday? If you've got something to say, say it.
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Post by ksen on Dec 1, 2011 14:23:23 GMT
I wasn't look to discussing anything. Did you want me to address anything in your last post to me yesterday? If you've got something to say, say it. I don't really have anything to say on this. I think I've pretty much said all I wanted to say. Welcome back though! I'm going to go look for a couple of thread-starters so hopefully I'll see you in the other forums! :hug:
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Post by Bayes on Dec 2, 2011 2:50:12 GMT
I agree that Hartman is probably too hot tempered to make a good mod, and that he does not deserve to be suspended from posting because of poor decisions as a mod.
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Post by transferencecure on Dec 2, 2011 22:41:14 GMT
hai guise
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