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Post by Greatestiam on Dec 30, 2011 17:49:29 GMT
What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to? Only an insane God. That’s who. Why is it insane when Jesus knew he was joining God? Would you think it a sacrifice to join God? Seems that would be a step up and not down and is completely self-serving. Regards DL
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Post by Bayes on Dec 30, 2011 18:23:10 GMT
Not really either, although those also work as examples. In the Sims you interact with a family and a neighborhood. It's the sort of personal god that Christians tend to talk about the most, the one that guides each person individually rather than the world as a whole.
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Post by roadwarrior on Jan 6, 2012 5:38:08 GMT
Why is it insane when Jesus knew he was joining God? Would you think it a sacrifice to join God? It's not, hence why you are wrong to accuse God of "murdering" his own son.
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Post by Bayes on Jan 6, 2012 18:11:46 GMT
Would you think it a sacrifice to join God? It's not, hence why you are wrong to accuse God of "murdering" his own son. He does however have him tortured extensively. The passion is a really disturbing and involved level of torture.
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Post by Greatestiam on Jan 8, 2012 22:07:25 GMT
It's not, hence why you are wrong to accuse God of "murdering" his own son. He does however have him tortured extensively. The passion is a really disturbing and involved level of torture. Quite mild as compared to what many have undergone in history at the hands of Christians. You also need to remember that if real at all, Jesus or God or whoever, could have designed a better way. Easy for anyone with a pocket full of miracles. Regards DL
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Post by roadwarrior on Jan 10, 2012 2:07:08 GMT
It's not, hence why you are wrong to accuse God of "murdering" his own son. He does however have him tortured extensively. The passion is a really disturbing and involved level of torture. Was it man or God who did the torturing? Do you believe man has free will or is just a meat robot of God?
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Post by Bayes on Jan 10, 2012 3:17:45 GMT
He does however have him tortured extensively. The passion is a really disturbing and involved level of torture. Was it man or God who did the torturing? Do you believe man has free will or is just a meat robot of God? God didn't torture him, god had him tortured. To use the metaphor of a mob boss. The boss doesn't get his hands dirty, his servants do that, but he's still the one that orders the hit. Although no mob boss would allow his son to be tortured if he was able to do anything about it. JHVH is morally a bit below a mob boss as far as his treatment of his loved ones. You can see the same thing on a larger scale with Jews in general, in the old testament they are enslaved and brutalized repeatedly, in more recent times they suffered the holocaust. The holocaust looks like the sort of thing JHVH loves to do. He does really messed up things to the people that love him most.
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Post by Greatestiam on Jan 11, 2012 14:52:02 GMT
He does however have him tortured extensively. The passion is a really disturbing and involved level of torture. Was it man or God who did the torturing? Do you believe man has free will or is just a meat robot of God? The bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin. This says that God chose, not man and that he is ultimately responsible. He created those whom he knew would torture and kill his son. He could have found another way and scripture indicates that he did. www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoHP-f-_F9URegards DL
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Post by Bayes on Jan 11, 2012 22:40:03 GMT
Was it man or God who did the torturing? Do you believe man has free will or is just a meat robot of God? The bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin. This says that God chose, not man and that he is ultimately responsible. He created those whom he knew would torture and kill his son. He could have found another way and scripture indicates that he did. www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoHP-f-_F9URegards DL You hold that man did not choose? That deprives Pilate and the other executioners of their free will. That they made a choice doesn't remove god's responsibility, but that god knew and chose for it to happen does not remove their responsibility either.
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Post by Greatestiam on Jan 12, 2012 13:24:18 GMT
The bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin. This says that God chose, not man and that he is ultimately responsible. He created those whom he knew would torture and kill his son. He could have found another way and scripture indicates that he did. www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoHP-f-_F9URegards DL You hold that man did not choose? That deprives Pilate and the other executioners of their free will. That they made a choice doesn't remove god's responsibility, but that god knew and chose for it to happen does not remove their responsibility either. What is strange about God depriving man of his free will? He is shown as doing that quite often. Did he not deprive man of his free will choice to live at Sodom and in the days of his genocidal fit in Noah's time? Regards DL
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Post by Bayes on Jan 12, 2012 18:39:11 GMT
You hold that man did not choose? That deprives Pilate and the other executioners of their free will. That they made a choice doesn't remove god's responsibility, but that god knew and chose for it to happen does not remove their responsibility either. What is strange about God depriving man of his free will? He is shown as doing that quite often. Did he not deprive man of his free will choice to live at Sodom and in the days of his genocidal fit in Noah's time? Regards DL nope, he just killed them all.
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Post by Greatestiam on Jan 13, 2012 15:18:41 GMT
What is strange about God depriving man of his free will? He is shown as doing that quite often. Did he not deprive man of his free will choice to live at Sodom and in the days of his genocidal fit in Noah's time? Regards DL nope, he just killed them all. And that sure negated their free will. The same free will that God is supposed to respect. Regards DL
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