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Post by spraidor on Nov 19, 2011 15:02:42 GMT
I know that there are those who will disagree but the bible contains loads of moral guidance. Not just the 10 commandments but the teachings of Jesus. It's not all about smiting and stoning, all that stuff is just historical accounts from a time long gone. Do you agree with the teachings in the bible? What about the sermon on the mount?
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Post by jubeanation on Nov 20, 2011 0:40:34 GMT
I do like the Sermon on the Mount, and most of the teachings of Jesus. Reading OT now and I don't agree with quite so much of it, but in general, I find a lot of good moral advice can be gleaned from religious texts.
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Post by Bayes on Nov 20, 2011 4:18:26 GMT
Jesus seems like a mostly alright guy to me, although his statements on divorce I disagree with. The old testament meanwhile is filled with the worst sort of primitive morality. The ten commandments are part of that morality, and the details as they are explored in Leviticus for the ten commandments show that they are not as good as they seem on first examination
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Post by waymarker on Nov 20, 2011 8:58:10 GMT
Jesus saves, not the OT..
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Post by ungod on Nov 20, 2011 11:45:32 GMT
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Post by B on Nov 20, 2011 13:47:08 GMT
Um, wait, are we talking about the same Bible that wants us to kill people who work on the Sabbath, are homosexuals, are fortune tellers, don't believe in God, females who aren't virgin at the time of their marriage, people who follow other religions.
The same primitive, Bronze-Age book that condones repressing and legally raping women? The same moraltastic Bible that says any genocide is justifiable if it's sanctioned by God?
Sure Jesus said some good things, but..you're completely ignoring like, 99% of the Bible.
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Post by veks on Nov 21, 2011 15:01:50 GMT
As a whole, the Bible is a rather useless source for moral guidance. Sure, you can find a decent verse here and there but you can do the same thing with the Egyptian proverbs, Koran, or a Dr. Seuss book. Both sets of the Ten (Ethical Decalogue and Ritual Decalogue) and the 613 Mitzvot in the Bible are shoddy sources for morality. For example from the Exodus 10 Commandments (1st broken set):
"You shall not boil a kid in its mother’s milk."
"All that first opens the womb is mine, all your male livestock, the firstborn of cow and sheep."
And from the more popular 2nd set:
"Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain."
There is zero moral guidance here. Instead of worrying about how people say his name he could have inserted a nice "Thou shalt not rape" or another equally useful commandment.
Honestly, you would think there would be more pressing moral matters do address. I'm absolutely certain that anyone on this board could create a more useful set of commandments than the Mesopotamian authors of antiquity.
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Post by Bayes on Nov 22, 2011 18:30:52 GMT
Um, wait, are we talking about the same Bible that wants us to kill people who work on the Sabbath, are homosexuals, are fortune tellers, don't believe in God, females who aren't virgin at the time of their marriage, people who follow other religions. The same primitive, Bronze-Age book that condones repressing and legally raping women? The same moraltastic Bible that says any genocide is justifiable if it's sanctioned by God? Sure Jesus said some good things, but..you're completely ignoring like, 99% of the Bible. That's all Old Testament, which is more like 60% of the bible, not 99%. And of that 60% there's an awful lot of begats and so forth.
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Post by Bayes on Nov 22, 2011 18:32:56 GMT
I would assert than Dr. Seuss is a better source of moral guidance than the bible. He clearly displays respect for others, compassion, sharing, forgiveness and a sense of play and humility in a way that is far more moving and succint than the new testament can manage. A big part of that is due to his work being written in the modern era rather than thousands of years ago.
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Post by B on Nov 22, 2011 18:42:20 GMT
It was an exaggeration. But yes, what is your point that it is the "Old Testament"?
Also, a lot of that stuff about divine rights given to monarchs and repressing women?
New Testament baby!
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Post by ungod on Nov 23, 2011 7:00:34 GMT
Jesus saves, not the OT.. Jesus saves, Moses invests, Rajneesh spends (100 Rolls Royces!). ;D
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Post by cuckingfunt on Nov 23, 2011 12:24:52 GMT
Um, wait, are we talking about the same Bible that wants us to kill people who work on the Sabbath, are homosexuals, are fortune tellers, don't believe in God, females who aren't virgin at the time of their marriage, people who follow other religions. The same primitive, Bronze-Age book that condones repressing and legally raping women? The same moraltastic Bible that says any genocide is justifiable if it's sanctioned by God? Sure Jesus said some good things, but..you're completely ignoring like, 99% of the Bible. Yeah baby what's the problem? Just reading yo' motherfuckin' bible and do as you're told, bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by cuckingfunt on Nov 23, 2011 12:25:30 GMT
Jesus saves, not the OT.. Jesus saves, Moses invests, Rajneesh spends (100 Rolls Royces!). ;D Shut your trap and get on your knees and beg forgiveness.
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Post by spraidor on Nov 24, 2011 11:45:09 GMT
Um, wait, are we talking about the same Bible that wants us to kill people who work on the Sabbath, are homosexuals, are fortune tellers, don't believe in God, females who aren't virgin at the time of their marriage, people who follow other religions. The same primitive, Bronze-Age book that condones repressing and legally raping women? The same moraltastic Bible that says any genocide is justifiable if it's sanctioned by God? Sure Jesus said some good things, but..you're completely ignoring like, 99% of the Bible. Most christians ignore 99% of the bible. That's the point. You can't point to some obscure part of the old testament and then claim that christians follow it. They don't. The clue is in the name : CHRISTianity, the teachings of christ.
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Post by B on Nov 24, 2011 20:34:13 GMT
So Christians ignore the story of Noah's ark? The supposed exodus of Israelites from Egypt? Adam and Eve? The laws against homosexuality, adultery and so forth?
You're not making sense here. Christianity is based on BOTH the Old (Hebrew scriptures) and New Testament. Not JUST the New Testament.
Remember when Jesus said he came to also fulfill the law ("Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them)?
Well gee, which Old Testament do you think Jesus was referring to?
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