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Post by Bayes on Nov 30, 2011 1:11:02 GMT
I see you are starting to get the point. What do you mean? I am saying that the burden of proof lies on the person making the claim. Disprove it! is a dumb way of making an argument. I'm not making a claim.
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Post by flyingteapot on Nov 30, 2011 7:45:41 GMT
What do you mean? I am saying that the burden of proof lies on the person making the claim. Disprove it! is a dumb way of making an argument. I'm not making a claim. Then what are you doing? Either you are an atheist who through sarcasm is making the point that Disprove it! is a very dumb way to argue god's existence or you are a religious person who genuinely believes that Disprove it! can work to convince atheists.
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Post by Bayes on Nov 30, 2011 17:15:01 GMT
Then what are you doing? Either you are an atheist who through sarcasm is making the point that Disprove it! is a very dumb way to argue god's existence or you are a religious person who genuinely believes that Disprove it! can work to convince atheists. I'm an Agnostic who thinks people who claim to know, one way or the other, have not sufficiently examined the situation.
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Post by charlie on Nov 30, 2011 17:51:16 GMT
iow a fencesitter
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Post by Bayes on Nov 30, 2011 19:03:53 GMT
Sure, when there's the rabid beasts of fundamentalism on both sides of the fence sitting on it is the only sensible place to be.
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Post by flyingteapot on Nov 30, 2011 19:17:01 GMT
Then what are you doing? Either you are an atheist who through sarcasm is making the point that Disprove it! is a very dumb way to argue god's existence or you are a religious person who genuinely believes that Disprove it! can work to convince atheists. I'm an Agnostic who thinks people who claim to know, one way or the other, have not sufficiently examined the situation. Atheists do not claim to know anything. Atheism is a response to a claim. It is not a claim in itself. - theism - without belief ; lack of belief in a deity.
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Post by ferryman on Dec 18, 2011 1:43:52 GMT
For you atheists out there, please offer some sort of evidence or logical argument which proves that there is no god. I'm not talking about the Christian god, finding logical inconsistencies in the bible is stupidly easy. Prove you don't owe me ten thousand dollars. Geez, these same tired old canards get tiresome! Yep. Same old christian bait jobs. They cannot prove a god and they want us to do it for them.....OP, any God is in your head thats as far as it goes.
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Post by Bayes on Dec 20, 2011 18:22:04 GMT
I am NOT a Christian, I'm very slightly on the Theist side of agnostic, but that's because, as people keep saying, there is no compelling evidence one way or the other and I find the concept of a universe with deities more interesting and a better fit to the world as I see it than a universe without them.
Much as upon seeing an event which has two equally likely interpretations, I am going to assume the more interesting and advantageous interpretation. Not with any sort of dogmatism, I am open to being convinced otherwise, but considering that none of the Atheists seem interested in doing so I remain slightly theist.
Ferryman, you are making an assertion, that any god is in my head. what evidence do you have to back up your assertion?
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Post by ferryman on Dec 20, 2011 22:17:10 GMT
Gods are mind games....prove a god? All I ask. If you cannot fine. But no god is proveable only by holy books that were written by people out in the desert sun to long. If you have sky daddy in your head thats fine to......believe what you will.
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Post by roadwarrior on Dec 21, 2011 0:49:14 GMT
Yep. Same old christian bait jobs. They cannot prove a god and they want us to do it for them..... Then they are doing it wrong. If you want to believe that "When you're dead, you're dead", go for it. You're just a soulless meat machine who had the luck to be born after some grunting by your father on your mother and in a few years you will be dead. What you are and were will be gone forever and just as useless as the millions of dead human beings who came before you. OTOH, while I don't buy into all the dogmatic trappings of organized religions, I do believe there is more to this consciousness thing than we understand so I often ponder questions like "What does it all mean?". Now, if you're right and there is nothing, then when I die I'll never know it. If I'm right, then I will have spent my life exploring the possibilities. Siddhartha Gautama knew there was no way to prove life after death, but he realized that there was a "right way" to live regardless if there was or was not. It's a choice. Do as you please.
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Post by jtp56 on Jan 6, 2012 0:14:02 GMT
The problem with "there is more to this consciousness thing" is how did consciousness happen? By accident and therefore we are left to wonder "What does it all mean?"
The universe and the mechanism in our brains for consciousness would have to have been designed and created. And the designer gave us a book that explains the whole thing.
And the Bible is not easily shown to have a gazillion contradictions. It is shown to have none. Give me 3 contradictions (please don't post 500 from a website). Give me 3 YOU see as a problem.
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Post by roadwarrior on Jan 6, 2012 5:36:00 GMT
When Cain left after killing Abel, what was the mark on him and with whom did he mate to produce Enoch?
If God is omnipotent, why did he have to rest on the seventh day?
If God is omniscient, didn't he know Adam and Eve would partake from the Tree of Knowledge? Wasn't it rather silly of him to put the Tree in the Garden of Eden....unless that was the plan the whole time. Wouldn't God know that Lucifer would rebel when he created the angels?
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Post by Bayes on Jan 6, 2012 18:09:38 GMT
One basic contradiction that is somewhat glaring considering all the begats and such is on the fatherhood of Joseph.
That may not speak to the validity of the philosophy but it does bring up some questions about Luke and Matthew, if they didn't know Christ well enough to know who his grandfather was.
The old testament seems to disagree with itself as to whether wisdom is desirable or not.
How did Judas die?
Again this questions the accuracy of the authors of the books. Judas' betrayal of Jesus was an extremely important event and one would expect the authors to be aware of the manner of his death.
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Post by flyingteapot on Jan 29, 2012 15:06:36 GMT
So, bayes, you think that the question of whether god exists or not is unknowable? ever?
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Post by Bayes on Jan 29, 2012 22:53:17 GMT
So, bayes, you think that the question of whether god exists or not is unknowable? ever? Yes, that is what I think.
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