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Post by Bayes on Nov 22, 2011 18:23:22 GMT
For you atheists out there, please offer some sort of evidence or logical argument which proves that there is no god.
I'm not talking about the Christian god, finding logical inconsistencies in the bible is stupidly easy.
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Post by B on Nov 22, 2011 18:31:20 GMT
How would you define a god? Perhaps we can start from there?
Personally, I'm very close to being an "agnostic atheist" (or perhaps close to the "gnostic atheist" as well), meaning that though I can choose to not believe in gods that are claimed to exist by its cult members believers due to the sheer stupidity of it all in most cases, it does not mean that I completely dismiss the notion that there could maybe, maybe be an unclaimed god(s) out there; if that made sense.
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Post by Bayes on Nov 22, 2011 18:33:46 GMT
a spiritual being that is more powerful than human beings.
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Post by B on Nov 22, 2011 18:40:05 GMT
Pretty vague..what do you mean by "spiritual"? Is it made out of unseen material? How much more powerful than humans?
Is it omniscient? Is it all powerful? What are its traits?
If you say, "There could be a god that made the universe", then you're enroaching on deism.
If you're saying that there is vaguely "a being that's more powerful than humans", the answer is:
"There could be." or "I don't know".
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Post by Bayes on Nov 22, 2011 18:41:26 GMT
There could be and I don't know is my own approach.
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Post by B on Nov 22, 2011 18:47:27 GMT
More preferable than "mygoddidit".
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Post by veks on Nov 22, 2011 19:09:10 GMT
For you atheists out there, please offer some sort of evidence or logical argument which proves that there is no god. I'm not talking about the Christian god, finding logical inconsistencies in the bible is stupidly easy. So you're wanting a logical argument that disproves the deist's non-dogmatic god? I can't. Just like I can't prove there is an invisible Schnafflpodamus living under your couch. I simply have no reason to believe otherwise.
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Post by ungod on Nov 22, 2011 20:56:54 GMT
For you atheists out there, please offer some sort of evidence or logical argument which proves that there is no god. I'm not talking about the Christian god, finding logical inconsistencies in the bible is stupidly easy. Prove you don't owe me ten thousand dollars. Geez, these same tired old canards get tiresome!
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Post by ungod on Nov 23, 2011 6:49:45 GMT
a spiritual being that is more powerful than human beings. Explain how spiritual power manifests itself! Is it more powerful than nuclear weapons? Should it be classified as WMOD?
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Post by ungod on Nov 23, 2011 6:50:28 GMT
a spiritual being that is more powerful than human beings. Evidence?
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Post by ungod on Nov 23, 2011 6:53:18 GMT
For you atheists out there, please offer some sort of evidence or logical argument which proves that there is no god. I'm not talking about the Christian god, finding logical inconsistencies in the bible is stupidly easy. So you're wanting a logical argument that disproves the deist's non-dogmatic god? I can't. Just like I can't prove there is an invisible Schnafflpodamus living under your couch. I simply have no reason to believe otherwise. Well, of course, the onus is on you to disprove, rather than the onus being on the claimant to prove. So, prove you didn't molest your neighbours children.
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Post by Bayes on Nov 23, 2011 8:23:10 GMT
a spiritual being that is more powerful than human beings. Evidence? Evidence that such a thing exists? I don't claim it does, I don't know if it does. You claim it does not. I can give reasonably compelling evidence that I did not molest my neighbors children, although I am not going to get into something that personal here. I could give my reasons for being fairly certain that unicorns don't exist, or Santa Claus and I think you would agree with them. I don't see any sort of evidence that powerful spiritual beings do not exist, just as I see no compelling evidence that they do. There are plenty of aspects of the world that could be explained by their actions, or that could be explained in other ways.
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Post by veks on Nov 23, 2011 10:59:33 GMT
Well, of course, the onus is on you to disprove, rather than the onus being on the claimant to prove. So, prove you didn't molest your neighbours children. Not sure why this is directed at me, but the burden of proof always rests on the person asserting a claim. If someone claims that fairies exist then that's on them to provide evidence for. Just because one is skeptical doesn't mean they have to carry the burden of disproving it. But like I said earlier, I can't disprove the deist's god nor do I have any reason to.
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Post by spraidor on Nov 24, 2011 11:48:05 GMT
How would you define a god? Perhaps we can start from there? Personally, I'm very close to being an "agnostic atheist" (or perhaps close to the "gnostic atheist" as well), meaning that though I can choose to not believe in gods that are claimed to exist by its cult members believers due to the sheer stupidity of it all in most cases, it does not mean that I completely dismiss the notion that there could maybe, maybe be an unclaimed god(s) out there; if that made sense. How can you possibly call yourself an atheist if you don't even have a basic grasp of what it is you don't believe in? You define god.
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Post by B on Nov 24, 2011 20:14:39 GMT
How can you possibly call yourself an atheist if you don't even have a basic grasp of what it is you don't believe in? You define god. Uh, no spraidor, I'm pretty sure I know what I DON'T believe in. Like a infanticide-loving and misogynistic god that is blindly followed by millions of Christians everywhere. Perhaps I will make things clear for you: I do not know whether there is a god or gods out there much like the vague definition of the god Bayes gave, however I am CERTAIN that certain gods that are claimed to exist by Christians, Muslims and others do NOT exist. Therefore agnostic atheist. Anything else you don't seem to understand?
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