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Post by pinchbeck on Nov 19, 2011 15:12:22 GMT
I have no issues with science. After all, it's brought us to where we are today. There's no conflict between science and belief in a creator. What with quantum physics and the recent news about a particle going faster than light, I think it's an exciting time which will eventually demonstrate that the universe is some sort of creation or design.
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Post by Rational Roy on Nov 19, 2011 17:02:39 GMT
I have no issues with science. After all, it's brought us to where we are today. There's no conflict between science and belief in a creator. What with quantum physics and the recent news about a particle going faster than light, I think it's an exciting time which will eventually demonstrate that the universe is some sort of creation or design. That's ridiculous. How will quantum physics prove your deity? Seriously, have you thought this out?
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Post by sitelmun on Nov 19, 2011 21:29:43 GMT
I have no issues with science. After all, it's brought us to where we are today. There's no conflict between science and belief in a creator. What with quantum physics and the recent news about a particle going faster than light, I think it's an exciting time which will eventually demonstrate that the universe is some sort of creation or design. That's ridiculous. How will quantum physics prove your deity? Seriously, have you thought this out? Why don't you think about it for yourself.
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Post by waymarker on Nov 20, 2011 1:12:49 GMT
FOOD FOR THOUGHT- "A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature."-Fred Hoyle (British astrophysicist): The Universe: Past and Present Reflections. Annual Review of Astronomy and Astrophysics: 20:16. "There is for me powerful evidence that there is something going on behind it all....It seems as though somebody has fine-tuned nature’s numbers to make the Universe....The impression of design is overwhelming"- Paul Davies (British astrophysicist), The Cosmic Blueprint: New Discoveries in Nature's Creative Ability To Order the Universe. New York: Simon and Schuster, p.203. "As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?"- George Greenstein (astronomer),1988. The Symbiotic Universe. New York: William Morrow, p.27. "When confronted with the order and beauty of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it's very tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it."- Tony Rothman (physicist),Paradigms Lost. New York, Avon Books, p.482-483. "When I began my career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics."- Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics), 1994 The Physics of Immortality. New York, Doubleday, preface."We know that nature is described by the best of all possible mathematics because God created it."- Alexander Polyakov (Soviet mathematician),Gannes, S. October 13, 1986. Fortune. p. 57 "Here is the cosmological proof of the existence of God – the design argument of Paley – updated and refurbished. The fine tuning of the universe provides prima facie evidence of deistic design. Take your choice: blind chance that requires multitudes of universes or design that requires only one"- Ed Harrison (cosmologist),Harrison, E. 1985. Masks of the Universe. New York, Collier Books, Macmillan, pp. 252, 263. "Who created these laws? There is no question but that a God will always be needed"- Barry Parker (cosmologist),Heeren, F. 1995. Show Me God. Wheeling, IL, Searchlight Publications, p. 223."Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe."- Galileo
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Post by Bayes on Nov 20, 2011 4:08:44 GMT
What does evidence of a creator (not that I accept that as shown yet, but even assuming it is) have to do with the central claims of Judeo Christian Theology?
A creator doesn't mean a god that continues tinkering, nor does it suggest that anything in the bible is accurate or a useful guide either toward the nature of the universe or proper behavior. The Catholics did a pretty good job of proving that the bible categorically states that the earth is flat. We know that it is not.
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Post by waymarker on Nov 20, 2011 8:39:25 GMT
What does evidence of a creator (not that I accept that as shown yet, but even assuming it is) have to do with the central claims of Judeo Christian Theology? A creator doesn't mean a god that continues tinkering, nor does it suggest that anything in the bible is accurate or a useful guide either toward the nature of the universe or proper behavior. The Catholics did a pretty good job of proving that the bible categorically states that the earth is flat. We know that it is not. 1-Who cares what the Catholics said or say? They're just little fish.. 2- As for the bible, this sounds like a good guide to proper behavior to me- "Love one another, feed the hungry, house the homeless, clothe the destitute, tend the sick, visit the prisoners, look after the poor"-Jesus of Nazareth3- Jesus called God "The Creator", and he also said God is "always working", possibly with ongoing evolution? "Sorry kiddo, you're on the way out"
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Post by ungod on Nov 20, 2011 10:14:10 GMT
I have no issues with science. After all, it's brought us to where we are today. There's no conflict between science and belief in a creator. What with quantum physics and the recent news about a particle going faster than light, I think it's an exciting time which will eventually demonstrate that the universe is some sort of creation or design. I dunno - when I look at the craters on the moon, I don't really see much of a design!
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Post by B on Nov 20, 2011 13:41:14 GMT
Oh boy. Anthony Flew who was questionably mentally fit in his later years when he wrote his later books with "another person". Good thing Christopher Hitchens said that if he converts on the death-bed, he's mentally unfit due to his illness huh? And oh! More skewed quotes! That's cool brah, but what about these: Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB) Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB) evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB) Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT) Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. (Colossians 3:18) Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, (1 Peter 3:1) "Happy shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!" (Psalms 137:9) "The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open." (Hosea 13:16) "Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished."]/b] (Isaiah 13:15,16) "Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children." (Isaiah 13:18) And so much more. We should definitely follow these revolting laws God set for us right guys?
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Post by Darius on Nov 22, 2011 17:14:00 GMT
I have no issues with science. After all, it's brought us to where we are today. There's no conflict between science and belief in a creator. What with quantum physics and the recent news about a particle going faster than light, I think it's an exciting time which will eventually demonstrate that the universe is some sort of creation or design. That's ridiculous. How will quantum physics prove your deity? Seriously, have you thought this out? You clearly haven't.
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Post by pinchbeck on Nov 23, 2011 11:58:45 GMT
I have no issues with science. After all, it's brought us to where we are today. There's no conflict between science and belief in a creator. What with quantum physics and the recent news about a particle going faster than light, I think it's an exciting time which will eventually demonstrate that the universe is some sort of creation or design. That's ridiculous. How will quantum physics prove your deity? Seriously, have you thought this out? Quantum physics has shown that the physical world isn't as strightforward as previously thought. The speed of light has been broken, which again shows that there's far more to know about reality. DNA is information, and all information implies a mind. Science is getting closer to realising what so called primitive people have always known and which we all know, which is that the universe is a creation.
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Post by Bayes on Nov 23, 2011 17:51:24 GMT
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Post by xXx_[SSJ] St. Drizzt_xXx on Nov 26, 2011 18:39:35 GMT
Wow what a terrible thread
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